HR enforces nonsensical PTO rule, halves employee's vacation time: '[You] owe us 6 days'

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    Is this LEGAL??? This is a new company that established PTO this year 2024. How do you go backwards?
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    7:10 1 ◄ Messages < PTO Inbox i7 B @ 09 PM ... Good evening, Based on my calendar, you have 20 days of official PTO taken in 2023. This was over the allotted 14 days allowed last year based on your start date. At this time, you would owe us 6 days. You're total amount of PTO allowed at beginning of 2024 based on this is 8 days (14 at beginning of year - 6 days owed = 8 left). At this point, your total amount of PTO days left allowed is 8 If you have questions or concerns, please let me know. Ple
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    kittykateeeee OP. 12 hr. ago We did not have a PTO set in 2023. I took off 5 days at the end of the year after my grandmother died. This person who sent the email encouraged me to take the time off. 4.6k Reply Share
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    Shojo Tombo 8 hr. ago Ask them for a copy of the policy that was in effect in 2023. If they still insist on retroactively enforcing the policy, speak with a labor attorney and go to HR in that order. 4.1k Reply Share
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    Harrigan_Raen. 11 hr. ago This is the -route: I would first reconcile the 20 days they claim you took as PTO and confirm the dates match with time off you took. I would request copies of pay stubs too, to confirm you see PTO used for those weeks. See if they are counting Holidays, Covid time, sick time, bereavement leave, etc as PTO time (Some places have different buckets of PTO).
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    From there, I would site any source you have about PTO allotment for 2023 calendar year. Did you get something as a new hire / from HR that said 20 days? If so ask them to show you where you were informed that there was a reduction in PTO time due to be pro- rated for the year (sounds like whats happening).
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    If everything matches, and they are able to prove their point. I would request them to re-issue you a W2 for 2023 with the reduced earnings. And then also request re-imbursement to file amended taxes (after all it was 2023 payroll).
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    I would fight every step of the way about this. And be the squeakiest of wheels. Make it cost them as close to 6 days of your pay, because thats what happening they are taking back 6 days you were paid for.
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    I see from your other comment, how they (i assume supervisor/manager) encouraged you to take the paid time off. Try to get them to admit that in writing (if you dont have it). And then go above their head with basically "They told me to do this, I did it, now I'm being punished for it." approach. At the very least it makes them look like a manager as a " you, you did this." 4.1k Reply Share ...
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    kaijuumafoo1 9 hr. ago I feel like everyone commenting is glossing over the fact that you literally didn't have the PTO they are claiming you took because PTO was not established until this year.
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    They are blatantly lying by claiming days you took off were PTO when that was not even apart of your contract until now. This is wage/compensation theft by retroactively claiming you took PTO days beyond what was allotted when nothing was even allotted and I'm guessing you didn't get paid for those days? This is egregious. I would go to them and ask if this is an error given that PTO did not exist until this year and that this doesn't make sense. Gives them a chance to realize their mistake and
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    gingertrees 10 hr. ago I had this happen to me. My contract house unwisely went to an "unlimited " model that they then had to shitcan <1 yr later when their clients were like "your workers aren't billing enough hrs" so then they did this whole "unlimited doesn't mean unlimited" thing, retconned and assigned us seemingly random limits. I got told i had like 4 days left for the year in spring. Another wkr was told he'd be immediately terminated if he took ANY time for the rest of the year. It suc
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    Edser 12 hr. ago Check what they offer in bereavement and go that route to justify the days off last year. Also, have them point out in writing where the 14 days was last year for your records, so you know for the future. Don't make their life easy, and you might end up with them dropping all of it, or you filing with your local labor board. 218 Reply Share
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    Ben_there 1977 - 9 hr. ago Use all 8 remaining days interviewing at other companies. 134 Reply Share
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    Ginevod 2023 10 hr. ago . They belong in jail for their use of "You're" alone.
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    starshiprarity 11 hr. ago PTO regulations depend on jurisdiction. If you're in a place that has no paid time off laws, and there are no standing agreements, your employer can create any terms they wish. They will not be able to collect on PTO wages from before the policy change but they can limit future benefits based on past activity
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    DietMtDew1 9 hr. ago Your employer is wrong. If they gave you 6 days paid for bereavement that doesn't become PTO. Also, how did they not have a vacation policy? How are you changing rules for 2023 in 2024? Regardless if it's legal or not, it doesn't make sense and is unethical. No idea if it's legal or not.

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